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Post  Makaira on 17th October 2012, 3:23 am

since my tank started up maintenance has be pretty sparodic.
i wish to rectify this by doing up a schedule or calendar.
currently my phos or PO4 is at 2.6, this is rediculous and i will be doing a 20 % water change tonight to combat it.
i will post the rest of my parameters tonight so u guys can watch and advise.

so heres what ive got so far

daily - food alternate between flakes/nori and frozen mix.
- clean glass outside and in.
- check fish numbers, temp, salinity and water level in ATU

weekly - 5 % water change about 20L
- clean skimmer cup and neck -
- top up auto top up unit. ( RO/DI water)
- change filter sock
- test water (not necessary however it will be a good experiment to see if my reg maintenance makes a difference and how)

monthly - 20% water change
- ??? anything else open to suggestions

i dont want to dose with anything for a month or two if i can help it. just to see what happens
if you guys have any suggestions or advice im all ears

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whoops

Post  Makaira on 17th October 2012, 3:29 am

sorry phos is 0.26 not 2.6

tongue

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  liquidg on 17th October 2012, 4:45 am

Good lighting colours,temps around 22c to 24c and not much more is needed to keep sps really well, and it all gets cancelled out by dam phosphates.

Phosphates or what we actually test for, phosforus is a pain in the butt and if even with slight levels, photosynthetic life forms that rely on the on going up take of hard working algae to subsidise feeding them and extract substances from the waters to make the corals skeleton, canít survive with it, they mutate to other algae or die.

The right types of micro algae that sps need just donít exist well in waters with abundant phosphates, so the sps and all others will eventually go down.

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  saltz on 17th October 2012, 5:14 am

scottatwello wrote:
weekly - 5 % water change about 20L
- clean skimmer cup and neck -
- top up auto top up unit. ( RO/DI water)
- change filter sock
- test water (not necessary however it will be a good experiment to see if my reg maintenance makes a difference and how)
You'll probably want to change your filter sock more often, I change mine once every 3 days or earlier if I can see it has gotten really dirty. Leaving them in the sump for too long would led to the decomposition of the accumulated bio-waste with then leads to NH3 spike => NO2 spike => NO3 spike ... Also, the filter sock act as a really good place for the aerobic bacteria to live in, 1 week of accumulated bio-waste would have resulted in a tremendous increase in NH3 and the bacteria colony would have increased as well, when you remove/replace the filter sock, you remove the bio-waste as well as the bacteria living in the sock, as a result, you have a tremendous drop in the bacteria colony, resulting in a further NH3 spike.

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  Makaira on 17th October 2012, 6:14 am

thanks for the response guys.

so what every 3 days change the socks.

and do you suggest other than a water change to combat phos

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  liquidg on 17th October 2012, 8:51 am

Water changes make very little difference, but it does make some and there are only two ways to deal with phos and they are via products or the natural processes of importing and converting it.

The products purchased take up far less room.

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  finfan on 17th October 2012, 10:36 am

Show us ya sump - how's you chaeto going?

Po3 ah..... Rolling Eyes

Shouldn't be to hard to figure out....

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  liquidg on 17th October 2012, 12:19 pm

Mate the pre filter that collects the excess foods and faeces, I clean mine each day, on weekends I will clean it twice in one day if I am doing anything near the tank.

The settling pre filters should not be used for that purpose and they can be left for ages,I clean mine when it is nearly blocked, which can be 4 days or some times if the dacron got cleaned really well in the washing machine last time, it can be 10 days till I wash it off under the tap.

If you want bio filters to work at the max and pre filters work at their best the pre filter barrier should be after the tank but before the algae, the next as in settling pre filter should be after the algae area and before any bio area.

Itís to much to go into, but it took quite a while to find what works at its best with natural processes controlling water quality.

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  Makaira on 17th October 2012, 12:37 pm

thanks G,

i would show you my sump igno however im embarrassed by its size and crudness.

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  finfan on 17th October 2012, 11:42 pm

scottatwello wrote:thanks G,

i would show you my sump igno however im embarrassed by its size and crudness.

No one is judging mate - just want to offer some ideas based on what you have, whilst the size does matter for effectiveness imo ..you can still get some great results by just tweaking parts of your system to better serve there purpose.

I met a random bloke (work client) who has a 6 footer (same as yours with LEDs) with acros growing out the top of it and its got about 16 fish...he had only a 2 foot sump, no pre filters, no socks (his tanks water just flows directly into the sump, overflows across a algae area then onto a 2 tier DSB then a protein skimmer and back) and his only maintenance is water changes...it looked awesome and was 7 years old..... Shocked he tells me he only feeds it once a week???? Shocked

So stop being a poof and show us ya sump Wink

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  Makaira on 18th October 2012, 1:19 am

hahaha i wana meet this dude.

yeh alright ill take some pictures tonight

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few pics of the system (dont judge me to harshly)

Post  Makaira on 19th October 2012, 11:50 am

here are a few pics of the system if you would like others taken let me know.




















here are some random shots i took camera isnt the best













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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  liquidg on 19th October 2012, 12:01 pm

Mate if it is giving you the results you are after and you are happy with those results, then thatís all that matters.

Love the yellow tang, nice size; one of those would get rid of my annoying sea lettuce in the bottom tank.

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  Makaira on 19th October 2012, 12:19 pm

thanks g man, the nitrates and phos are a little bit high but im doing a water change tommorrow, so hopefully should stabilize.
i think i was fighting a losing battle without the chiller.
now i should be ok

temp is constant 24 now

and yeh the tang is aweome. when i had him bought for me as a gift he was looking run down and had a case of ich and Head and lateral errosion disease.
now his colour are amazing and all fin and head erosion has disappeared. t date his recover is my biggest acheivment other than the refurbishment.

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  finfan on 19th October 2012, 1:11 pm

How come there is so much shit on your algae area -what's the flow like over the algae? Or is the flow going under it?
Can you get the flow to wash over the top of the algae if so - to keep it clean, and allowing the light to better penetrate and get a fast growth -or are you needing trim it regularly now?

Seems to be a stand out to me - now your chiller is going get some Rasmossa- it should grow over the entire algae area really thick in no time - with the water flowing through / over it this ensures the "nutrient export / conversion"s maximized -seems you have some taxifolia and a ball of chaeto which is OK but not great IMO....and there are a few empty spaces so not all the sump is working - might help for what its worth - Neutral

I too notice increases in phosphates and nitrates when my Rasmossa died off due to high temp - but G gave me some of his trimmings which now fill my 2.5 sq algae area and needs weekly trimming....it grows fast and fills the entire area, eating up all the bad stuff.... What a Face

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  Makaira on 19th October 2012, 2:21 pm

thanks igno.

yeh the flow for the fuge comes from under that last baffle so there isnt alot of flow across and the top.
after seeing your post i used the return line from the chiller and a few bits and peices and now i have flow Very Happy

yeh i will grab some rasmosa at the meeting on tuesday.

and no i havent been trimming it much, which makes me wonder if it isnt growing enough

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  liquidg on 19th October 2012, 3:05 pm

Bring in some trimmings of your racemosa for him at the next meeting ignobolis so he can get some going.
That taxifolia with the chaeto isnít the best to use.
His temps sound good so it should be okay if the lighting is right.

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  finfan on 19th October 2012, 4:34 pm

Cool mate - hope it helps....

I would also make up some kind pre filter after the algae area as well - just a simple frame to hold a sheet of filter wool to change every other day...a lot of crap leave the algae area

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  Makaira on 20th October 2012, 1:08 am

ok no problem ill make something up for a pre filter.

do you suggest removing the taxafolia ??

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Post  liquidg on 20th October 2012, 9:15 am

scottatwello wrote:ok no problem ill make something up for a pre filter.

do you suggest removing the taxafolia ??

Your taxifolia species is most likely the sheltered waters type; the surge zone type is a little better at importing as many others with a refuge,use it.

Have a look at this.

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light stand

Post  Makaira on 20th October 2012, 12:53 pm

so i finally figured out a plan to get my light and glass off the top of the tank.
this stand will allow me full access to the tank without having to lift of lights or hang lights from the ceiling.





thoughts? questions?

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  liquidg on 20th October 2012, 3:18 pm

What metal will you use?

Will the frame post sections be hollow at base of each with a lug on the stand to set into it to stop it from kicking out?

Will there be a hook shape of either the same metal with silicon smeared on it to stop metal to glass or a plastic hook at the top of the tank on the stands post to stop them moving back?

You could make three frames made up this way to support each light and can be taken off at any stage.

You really should have a cover for your tank though, this is mine.

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  Makaira on 20th October 2012, 3:33 pm

yeh G i will be making a cover similiar to yours.

the way i am making it, the modules will still be removable so the frame will stay as one peice.

i was thinking welded and painted RHS for the main section of the frame as it will need to be ridged and aluminium for the sections that hold the led modules.
of course using duralac were ever steel and alloy make contact.

the strip that runs along the back of the tank under all the uprights will be bolted to the top of the stand.
the top of the stand is 20mm Form ply, any builder will tell you is strong as all hell.
im going to put a bit of rubber angle along the back edge of the tank to stop any rubbing or stress if for any reason the stand starts to lean onto the tank i will re-asses and maybe use some more rhs to brace all the way too the bottom of the stand.

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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  liquidg on 21st October 2012, 12:20 am

Keep the pics coming so anyone else that may want to understand it well,can to better their hobby experience,we can all learn from each other.
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Re: scott's 6ft mixed reef

Post  mykez on 23rd October 2012, 6:40 pm

Sick!! Sketchup?

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